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Foreword...
Before reading our article on the 1st Whitstable
Scouts, we would like to draw attention to an important message
to all ex-scouts from Lawrence Wells....
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2009 - 1st
Whitstable Scouts Centenary
It's the 1st Whitstable Scouts centenary
this year. We are throwing a large tea party for present
& past members on..... Sunday
14th June 2009 at our Headquarters.
We wish to contact as many past members
as we can. Please e-mail... groupexec@sky.com
or write to.. Lawrence
Wells, Group Chairman c/o 12 Linnet Avenue, Whitstable
Kent CT5 4TN |
We would be grateful if our readers would
pass on the message to ex-scouts around the globe
The First Whitstable - Circa
1954...
Oh boy.... are we gonna have some fun with the gem that that Cliff Cuttelle
has emailed from Thailand....

It's a group photo of the First Whitstable Scouts and Cubs
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taken on Westmeads Recreation Ground. Cliff dates it as mid-1954
and it is not only the personnel that makes it interesting. We
can discuss the backdrop for ages... and we will!
At the end of the day, the photo will form the basis for a
'First Whitstable' page on our Days Gone By Menu.... but, first, we
need to collect as as much information as possible. I'll start
things off by pointing out what many people already know about
the First Whitstable. Their HQ has dominated the western end of
Acton Road for many years and troop members wear very
distinctive yellow and black neckerchiefs. The troop has always
been noted for its excellent brass band.
Now let's get underway with a look at the group members in
the photo and an exploration of a whole host of features in the
background....
Name That Scout....
We'll start with the serious stuff. Inevitably, people will
want to have a crack at naming a few scouts.... and so I have
divided the photo into three enlarged sections. Cliff has
provided some names.... but, now, it is up to you. (NB There is no
significance in the colour of the numbers. Yellow and blue have
simple been used depending on the shade of background).

| 3: Alan ? 8: Walter de
la Hoyde 9: Ray Leeden, 12: Peter Dadd,
15: Keith Foster, 18: Stan Dilnot 22:
Michael Ayling, 23:
Peter Russell, 27: Roger Campbell |

| 30: Willy Leeden, 31.
Ian Turner, 33.
Chris Daughton, 34: Pat
Austin, 36: Dave Usher,
37. John Smith,
38: Keith Breading, 39: Eddie Goodwin, 40: Philip
Blyth, 41
Michael Stroud, 43: Mervyn
Newman, 44 Donald Howson, 45:
Peter Donovan, 46: Andrew
Robertson, 47 Don Jones, 48: Mrs Page, 49: Mr Page, 50: Mrs Nutten,
51 William 'Bill' Blyth, 52: Cyril Nutten,
53: Baz Taylor, 57: Mick Blagoon,
59: David Harris, 63: Cliff
Cuttelle |

| 61: Eric Spratling, 64. John
Gould, 67: Knocker Austin,
68 Brian (or
possibly Mike) Gambrill,70: Alan Weller, 71:
David Ross, 72: Barry
Keats, 73: Graham
Quinney, 75: Tony
Hayden, 76: Mr
Wilfred Hancock, 78:
Archie Laver (?), 79: B Horne?, 80: Jo Keats, 84:
Dave Foreman |
To date we have received messages and comments on the photo
from the following:
| Ian Johnson (Huddersfield),
Kath Robertson (Gillingham), Stewart Tilley (Whitstable),
Elaine Tranter (High Wycombe), David Harvey (Toronto),
Jackie Evans (Digswell), John Harman (British Columbia),
Ivan Knowles (Whitstable), Phil Colligan (Westport,
USA), Pam Steward (Herne Bay). |
Their full messages are published at the foot of the page.
Where scout names have been provided, we have included them in
blue text below the photo sections.
In the Distance....
That's the Personnel issue underway. Now lets' start to look
at the backdrop....

The dominant feature is Wheatley Road - running along
the edge of the recreation ground and it doesn't look much different
from today. There are also some other buildings that remain in
the new millennium - the Masonic Temple
(Cromwell Road) and Elvey Bros printers (now the Whitstable
Times building). Although I have identified
Tankerton Rustics workshop, the photo may have been taken before the
company relocated from Tankerton. I seem to recall that the
building may have been used as an auction room at some stage.
Far more interesting is that black chimney stack away to the
right. I think it belonged to the Whitstable Model Laundry in
Diamond Road.... and what an amazing place that was! The
interior was so
hot that the side doors were usually open and steam poured
out..... along with the damp smell of soap suds. There were
times when a large section of Diamond Road grappled with
humidity approaching 99% and an army of women ran around in overalls and head
scarves like demented Widow Twankeys.
At one time, the laundry had quite a claim to fame... and it
was all recorded in an
article in the Whitstable Times. The company was chosen as the official
wishy-washy for the West Indian touring team when they visited
Kent County Cricket Club at Canterbury. Thus, it washed the
smalls of people like Garfield Sobers, Wes Hall and Charlie
Griffith.
The laundry building later became the works of
Tankerton Automatics but it is now just another block of flats.
When the hot tubs were removed, they took with them a closely guarded
commercial secret..... How did the laundry ensure that the right stuff was
returned to the right people?..... In particular, how did it match up
the
socks?
I have no doubt that quality control in the sock department was the
clincher for the West Indian contract and the company did a good
job. I never, ever
saw Gary Sobers bat in odd socks.
The Playground...
Now let's move a little closer to the scout
group.....

Yes... it's the old children's playground area.
Away to the left, you can see the metal supports of the swings.
There were also exercise bars and, just out of shot, parallel
bars. The centre piece was the old slide. This
comprised thin overlapping steel sheets that hit 100 degrees C
in hot weather and ripped trousers when the metal became burred at
the edges
But 'ang on a minute..... let's zoom in a bit more because
I've just spotted something.....

Anyone know who he is? If so, clip his ear 'ole.
The slide must have been the most misused piece of equipment
in town. Apart from using the underside of the steps as in the
photo extract, kids would climb up the tubular supports or run
up the slide itself. When rain made things wet and slow, it was
not unknown for kids to locate pieces of tin from the nearby
hedge and use them as toboggans. As you can imagine, this
increased the velocity somewhat... before depositing the
miscreant in the permanent puddle at the bottom.
The Weather Station...
Just behind the scouts, you can make out some of the elements
of the Whitstable weather station. This was a fenced off area
with various meteorological devices....

The weather vane gave the wind direction of course. The
sunlight 'thing' comprised a magnifying glass which burned a
path into a special piece of marked card..... thereby showing
the number of hours of sunshine. Other instruments (such as
thermometer and barometer) were secreted in a box - mounted on
legs and with louvred side panels.
We didn't have Michael Fish to interpret it all. That task
fell to the Town Beadle who would arrive at the appointed time
to take the readings. He was happy in his work until he hit the
rainfall instrument - a tin pot that stood on the ground.
Unfortunately, that rainfall pot attracted kids like a
honeypot attracted bees. The trick was to fill it with water
collected in a milk bottle. Some kids went a little further by
filling it in less savoury ways... but I won't go into that.
There were days when Whitstable had more rainfall than Bombay in
the monsoon season.
Sadly, the weather station has gone...as have the bees.
In Modern Times...
The photo below shows Westmeads recreation ground just a few
days ago...

It is taken from Westmeads Road looking diagonally across the
grass towards the Whitstable Times building in the distance.
Wheatley Road fringes the rec' on the right.
The old children's playground and the weather station have
long since disappeared. However, a new fenced playground extends
along the full length of Wheatley Road.
The photo below shows the First Whitstable Scouts Hall in
Acton Road in December 2003. I seem to recall that the building
of the 1950s was a corrugated iron structure - painted green.

Reaction to Scout Photo....
Messages received on the subject of the Scout Photo are given
below. We would like to thank all those who contribute...
| Thanks to Cliff for the photo of the 1st Whitstable
Scouts (I seem to remember they were known as “Mrs
Geo. Holden’s’ Own”). The only one I can identify
for you is no 40, Philip Blyth, son of “Doody” Blyth
and Marjorie, nee Beer.
Ian Johnson
Huddersfield
W Yorks |
| On the scout photograph, No. 45 is Peter Donovan and
No. 46 is my late brother-in-law Andrew Robertson.
Kath Robertson
Gillingham |
| Dave,
After further perusal, I can name a few more: 59 is
David Harris (of the family that ran the store in
Cromwell Road), 53 is surely Baz Taylor who we both
remember well, and 76 is Mr Ken Hancock.
I'm sure you'll soon get more names from readers.
Ian Johnson
Huddersfield
W Yorks |
Dave,
Three more that I'm fairly certain of for your list:
39 Eddie Goodwin
43 Mervyn Newman
70 The late Alan Weller
Stewart Tilley
Whitstable |
| I have just learned something new about my late father
Andrew Robertson and his friend Pete Donovan. I didn't
know that they were scouts. Elaine
Tranter
High Wycombe
Bucks |
A few faces that I can put a name to:
#61 Eric Spratling
#67 Knocker Austin
#52 Cyril Nutten
#36 Dave Usher
#72 Barry Keats
#84 Dave ForemanDavid
Harvey
Toronto
Canada |
I think no 76 is Wilfred Hancock (not Ken) - he was my
"uncle" - I believe his father and my gran
(wife of Jumbo) were brother and sister. I think they
lived in Albert St but Margaret Emery will probably
remember better than I do.
I remember he used to play the tuba (or was it a
euphonium?) in the band as the young lads were not
strong enough to carry and play it for the whole
distance of the carnival. The penalty for this was that
he had to wear shorts - very amusing for us youngsters
at the time!Jackie Evans
Digswell
Herts |
| Dear Dave,
Many of those young men had been at the Council
School with me.
I believe No 75 to be 'Tony Hayden'!
They are all older than when at school, so do look a
little different. Peter Donavon is quite different with
a moustache. His dad was the Town Beadle! They lived
right there on Wheatley Rd by the weather station. In
those days the Beadle did the beat along Tankerton
Promanade, keeping control and making shure no one rode
their bike!
Shall be in touch . . .
John Harman
Sidney
BC
Canada |
Hi Dave,
Back again with a few more possibles for your list.
These were identified with the help of Brian Maxted
(former 1st Whitstable member) and a glass of wine or
two.
15 Keith Foster
34 Pat Austin
38 Keith Breading
41 Michael Stroud
44 Donald Howson
47 Don Jones
51 Charlie Blyth
68 Brian (or possibly Mike) Gambrill
78 Archie Laver (?)
Best wishes
Stewart Tilley
Whitstable |
| Scout names....
9,Ray Leeden,
30,Willy Leeden,
34,Pat Austin?
38,Keith Breading,
Hope I'm correct.
Regards,
Ivan Knowles
Whitstable |
| Dave,
Thanks for another great photograph.
Even though I was not in the 1st Whitstable Scouts, I
do remember some of the faces and names. No.23 is Peter
Russell. His dad owned the store at the bottom of
Douglas Ave until it became Boyces.
Peter joined the Army Cadets later on and we met in
the TA hall next to Westmeads on Wednesday and Friday
evenings.
Best Wishes
Phil Colligan
Westport
CT
USA
Our Comment: Thanks, Phil. Several
people have commented on the shop in past Visitors Book
entries.
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| Hi Dave,
Nice to see the photo of the cubs and scouts at the
rec. So many faces I recognise but unfortunately, the
names don't always come to mind. Anyway, here are a few
more names.
3. Alan ?
8. The late Walter dela Hoyde
31. The late Ian Turner
33. Chris Daughton
37. John Smith
64. John Gould
71. David Ross
73. Graham Quinney.
The boy climbing under the slide brought back
memories of when I was about 6 and I was hanging from
the top. I've no idea how I got there but Eric Cowie
rescued me and he was my hero after that!!
Jackie Evans is right that Wilfred Hancock lived on
the corner of Albert St. and Stream Walk. Our houses
were on opposite sides of the road. His son David is in
the group "Rubber Biscuit."
I have a photo taken of me with Alan ? (No. 3)at
Whitstabe Carnival when we were 8 years old. I was a
gipsy girl and he was a cricketer.
Great site Dave,
Pam x
Pam Steward
Herne Bay
Our Comment:.Thanks, Pam. I am sorry
for the delay in posting your message. I thought I had
added it but then found that I hadn't.
When I get the new site sorted out, I will be
appealing for photos for a new carnival section.
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Scout Name
Thats me #27. Also It's Michael Ayling not Jeffrey.
Roger Campbell
Attapulgus
Georgia
USA
Our Comment: Thanks, Roger. I have
added your name and amended the Ayling reference. As it
has been some time since the article was published, I
have also placed your message in the Visitors Book to
ensure that is seen by a wider audience. |
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Scout Name - Correction
Scout number 51 was my Uncle Bill (William
Blyth) not " Charlie " He had the Scouts
Band for many years.
My Grandfather William Blyth was
the Scoutmaster back in the early 1900's. I was in the band for a
short time around 1937 along with Wilf Hancock (Tuba), Cecil
Nutten (Dozzle, on Tuba), Stan Luff on Euphonium, my brother Don
on Cornet. I was on Baritone.
I cannot call to mind all the others. At
one time, the Blyths in the Scouts band consisted of William (the
Father) Bill, Sam, Charlie and Herbert (Doody). My Father
Tom stayed with the local Salvation Army Band. All the previous
mentioned, at one time, were in the Whitstable Salvation Army
band.
Bernard Blyth
Whitstable Our Comment: Many
thanks, Bernard... for both the correction and
additional information. As it is some time since the
article was produced, I have added your comments to the
Visitors Book (entry date 11/11/09) to ensure they are
viewed by a wide audience. |
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