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Foreword...

   

Before reading our article on the 1st Whitstable Scouts, we would like to draw attention to an important message to all ex-scouts from Lawrence Wells....

  

2009 - 1st Whitstable Scouts Centenary

 

It's the 1st Whitstable Scouts centenary this year. We are throwing a large tea party for present & past members on.....  Sunday 14th June 2009 at our Headquarters

We wish to contact as many past members as we can. Please e-mail... groupexec@sky.com 

or write to..  Lawrence Wells, Group Chairman c/o 12 Linnet Avenue, Whitstable Kent CT5 4TN

   

 We would be grateful if our readers would pass on the message to ex-scouts around the globe

  

The First Whitstable - Circa 1954...

    

Oh boy.... are we gonna have some fun with the gem that that Cliff Cuttelle has emailed from Thailand....

   

   

It's a group photo of the First Whitstable Scouts and Cubs - taken on Westmeads Recreation Ground. Cliff dates it as mid-1954 and it is not only the personnel that makes it interesting. We can discuss the backdrop for ages... and we will!

At the end of the day, the photo will form the basis for a 'First Whitstable' page on our Days Gone By Menu.... but, first, we need to collect as as much information as possible. I'll start things off by pointing out what many people already know about the First Whitstable. Their HQ has dominated the western end of Acton Road for many years and troop members wear very distinctive yellow and black neckerchiefs. The troop has always been noted for its excellent brass band. 

Now let's get underway with a look at the group members in the photo and an exploration of a whole host of features in the background.... 

  

Name That Scout....

  

We'll start with the serious stuff. Inevitably, people will want to have a crack at naming a few scouts.... and so I have divided the photo into three enlarged sections. Cliff has provided some names.... but, now, it is up to you. (NB There is no significance in the colour of the numbers. Yellow and blue have simple been used depending on the shade of background). 

   

3:  Alan ? 8: Walter de la Hoyde 9: Ray Leeden, 12: Peter Dadd, 15: Keith Foster, 18: Stan Dilnot 22: Michael Ayling, 23: Peter Russell, 27: Roger Campbell 

     

30: Willy Leeden, 31. Ian Turner, 33. Chris Daughton, 34: Pat Austin, 36: Dave Usher, 37. John Smith, 38: Keith Breading, 39: Eddie Goodwin, 40: Philip Blyth, 41 Michael Stroud, 43: Mervyn Newman, 44 Donald Howson, 45: Peter Donovan, 46: Andrew Robertson, 47 Don Jones, 48: Mrs Page, 49: Mr Page, 50: Mrs Nutten, 51 William 'Bill' Blyth, 52: Cyril Nutten, 53: Baz Taylor, 57: Mick Blagoon, 59: David Harris, 63: Cliff Cuttelle

        

61: Eric Spratling, 64. John Gould, 67: Knocker Austin, 68 Brian (or possibly Mike) Gambrill,70: Alan Weller, 71: David Ross, 72: Barry Keats, 73: Graham Quinney, 75: Tony Hayden, 76: Mr Wilfred Hancock, 78: Archie Laver (?), 79: B Horne?, 80: Jo Keats, 84: Dave Foreman

   

To date we have received messages and comments on the photo from the following:

  

Ian Johnson (Huddersfield),  Kath Robertson (Gillingham), Stewart Tilley  (Whitstable), Elaine Tranter (High Wycombe), David Harvey (Toronto), Jackie Evans (Digswell), John Harman (British Columbia), Ivan Knowles (Whitstable), Phil Colligan (Westport, USA), Pam Steward (Herne Bay).

  

Their full messages are published at the foot of the page. Where scout names have been provided, we have included them in blue text below the photo sections.

   

In the Distance....

  

That's the Personnel issue underway. Now lets' start to look at the backdrop....

  

   

The dominant feature is Wheatley Road - running along the edge of the recreation ground and it doesn't look much different from today. There are also some other buildings that remain in the new millennium - the Masonic Temple (Cromwell Road) and Elvey Bros printers (now the Whitstable Times building). Although I have identified Tankerton Rustics workshop, the photo may have been taken before the company relocated from Tankerton. I seem to recall that the building may have been used as an auction room at some stage.

Far more interesting is that black chimney stack away to the right. I think it belonged to the Whitstable Model Laundry in Diamond Road.... and what an amazing place that was! The interior was so hot that the side doors were usually open and steam poured out..... along with the damp smell of soap suds. There were times when a large section of Diamond Road grappled with humidity approaching 99% and an army of women ran around in overalls and head scarves like demented Widow Twankeys.

At one time, the laundry had quite a claim to fame... and it was all recorded in an article in the Whitstable Times. The company was chosen as the official wishy-washy for the West Indian touring team when they visited Kent County Cricket Club at Canterbury. Thus, it washed the smalls of people like Garfield Sobers, Wes Hall and Charlie Griffith.

The laundry building later became the works of Tankerton Automatics but it is now just another block of flats. When the hot tubs were removed, they took with them a closely guarded commercial secret..... How did the laundry ensure that the right stuff was returned to the right people?..... In particular, how did it match up the socks?

I have no doubt that quality control in the sock department was the clincher for the West Indian contract and the company did a good job. I never, ever saw Gary Sobers bat in odd socks.

  

The Playground...

 

Now let's move a little closer to the scout group.....   

 

   

Yes... it's the old children's playground area. Away to the left, you can see the metal supports of the swings. There were also exercise bars and, just out of shot, parallel bars. The centre piece was the old slide. This comprised thin overlapping steel sheets that hit 100 degrees C in hot weather and ripped trousers when the metal became burred at the edges

But 'ang on a minute..... let's zoom in a bit more because I've just spotted something.....

   

    

Anyone know who he is? If so, clip his ear 'ole.

The slide must have been the most misused piece of equipment in town. Apart from using the underside of the steps as in the photo extract, kids would climb up the tubular supports or run up the slide itself. When rain made things wet and slow, it was not unknown for kids to locate pieces of tin from the nearby hedge and use them as toboggans. As you can imagine, this increased the velocity somewhat... before depositing the miscreant in the permanent puddle at the bottom.

  

The Weather Station...

   

Just behind the scouts, you can make out some of the elements of the Whitstable weather station. This was a fenced off area with various meteorological devices....  

   

   

The weather vane gave the wind direction of course. The sunlight 'thing' comprised a magnifying glass which burned a path into a special piece of marked card..... thereby showing the number of hours of sunshine. Other instruments (such as thermometer and barometer) were secreted in a box - mounted on legs and with louvred side panels.

We didn't have Michael Fish to interpret it all. That task fell to the Town Beadle who would arrive at the appointed time to take the readings. He was happy in his work until he hit the rainfall instrument - a tin pot that stood on the ground.

Unfortunately, that rainfall pot attracted kids like a honeypot attracted bees. The trick was to fill it with water collected in a milk bottle. Some kids went a little further by filling it in less savoury ways... but I won't go into that. There were days when Whitstable had more rainfall than Bombay in the monsoon season.

Sadly, the weather station has gone...as have the bees.

   

In Modern Times...

  

The photo below shows Westmeads recreation ground just a few days ago...

   

   

It is taken from Westmeads Road looking diagonally across the grass towards the Whitstable Times building in the distance. Wheatley Road fringes the rec' on the right.

The old children's playground and the weather station have long since disappeared. However, a new fenced playground extends along the full length of Wheatley Road. 

The photo below shows the First Whitstable Scouts Hall in Acton Road in December 2003. I seem to recall that the building of the 1950s was a corrugated iron structure - painted green.

   

   

Reaction to Scout Photo....

  

Messages received on the subject of the Scout Photo are given below. We would like to thank all those who contribute...

  

Thanks to Cliff for the photo of the 1st Whitstable Scouts (I seem to remember they were known as “Mrs Geo. Holden’s’ Own”). The only one I can identify for you is no 40, Philip Blyth, son of “Doody” Blyth and Marjorie, nee Beer.

Ian Johnson
Huddersfield 
W Yorks

    

On the scout photograph, No. 45 is Peter Donovan and No. 46 is my late brother-in-law Andrew Robertson.

Kath Robertson
Gillingham

    

Dave, 

After further perusal, I can name a few more: 59 is David Harris (of the family that ran the store in Cromwell Road), 53 is surely Baz Taylor who we both remember well, and 76 is Mr Ken Hancock.

I'm sure you'll soon get more names from readers.

Ian Johnson
Huddersfield 
W Yorks

     

Dave,

Three more that I'm fairly certain of for your list:

39 Eddie Goodwin
43 Mervyn Newman
70 The late Alan Weller

Stewart Tilley
Whitstable

    

I have just learned something new about my late father Andrew Robertson and his friend Pete Donovan. I didn't know that they were scouts.

Elaine Tranter
High Wycombe 
Bucks

    

A few faces that I can put a name to:

#61 Eric Spratling
#67 Knocker Austin
#52 Cyril Nutten
#36 Dave Usher
#72 Barry Keats
#84 Dave Foreman

David Harvey
Toronto
Canada

    

I think no 76 is Wilfred Hancock (not Ken) - he was my "uncle" - I believe his father and my gran (wife of Jumbo) were brother and sister. I think they lived in Albert St but Margaret Emery will probably remember better than I do.

I remember he used to play the tuba (or was it a euphonium?) in the band as the young lads were not strong enough to carry and play it for the whole distance of the carnival. The penalty for this was that he had to wear shorts - very amusing for us youngsters at the time!

Jackie Evans
Digswell
Herts

    

Dear Dave,

Many of those young men had been at the Council School with me.
I believe No 75 to be 'Tony Hayden'!

They are all older than when at school, so do look a little different. Peter Donavon is quite different with a moustache. His dad was the Town Beadle! They lived right there on Wheatley Rd by the weather station. In those days the Beadle did the beat along Tankerton Promanade, keeping control and making shure no one rode their bike!

Shall be in touch . . . 

John Harman
Sidney
BC
Canada

    

Hi Dave,

Back again with a few more possibles for your list. These were identified with the help of Brian Maxted (former 1st Whitstable member) and a glass of wine or two.

15 Keith Foster
34 Pat Austin
38 Keith Breading
41 Michael Stroud
44 Donald Howson
47 Don Jones
51 Charlie Blyth
68 Brian (or possibly Mike) Gambrill
78 Archie Laver (?)

Best wishes

Stewart Tilley
Whitstable

   

Scout names....

9,Ray Leeden,
30,Willy Leeden,
34,Pat Austin?
38,Keith Breading,

Hope I'm correct.

Regards,

Ivan Knowles
Whitstable

   

Dave,

Thanks for another great photograph.

Even though I was not in the 1st Whitstable Scouts, I do remember some of the faces and names. No.23 is Peter Russell. His dad owned the store at the bottom of Douglas Ave until it became Boyces.

Peter joined the Army Cadets later on and we met in the TA hall next to Westmeads on Wednesday and Friday evenings.

Best Wishes

Phil Colligan
Westport
CT
USA

Our Comment: Thanks, Phil. Several people have commented on the shop in past Visitors Book entries.

    

Hi Dave, 

Nice to see the photo of the cubs and scouts at the rec. So many faces I recognise but unfortunately, the names don't always come to mind. Anyway, here are a few more names.

3.  Alan ?
8.  The late Walter dela Hoyde
31. The late Ian Turner
33. Chris Daughton
37. John Smith
64. John Gould
71. David Ross
73. Graham Quinney.

The boy climbing under the slide brought back memories of when I was about 6 and I was hanging from the top. I've no idea how I got there but Eric Cowie rescued me and he was my hero after that!!

Jackie Evans is right that Wilfred Hancock lived on the corner of Albert St. and Stream Walk. Our houses were on opposite sides of the road. His son David is in the group "Rubber Biscuit." 

I have a photo taken of me with Alan ? (No. 3)at Whitstabe Carnival when we were 8 years old. I was a gipsy girl and he was a cricketer.

Great site Dave,

Pam x
Pam Steward
Herne Bay

 

Our Comment:.Thanks, Pam. I am sorry for the delay in posting your message. I thought I had added it but then found that I hadn't.

When I get the new site sorted out, I will be appealing for photos for a new carnival section.

   

Scout Name

Thats me #27. Also It's Michael Ayling not Jeffrey.

Roger Campbell
Attapulgus
Georgia
USA

 

Our Comment: Thanks, Roger. I have added your name and amended the Ayling reference. As it has been some time since the article was published, I have also placed your message in the Visitors Book to ensure that is seen by a wider audience.

   

Scout Name - Correction

Scout number 51 was my Uncle Bill (William Blyth) not  " Charlie "  He had the Scouts Band for many years. 

My Grandfather  William Blyth was the Scoutmaster back in the early 1900's. I was in the band for a short time around 1937 along with Wilf Hancock (Tuba), Cecil Nutten (Dozzle, on Tuba), Stan Luff on Euphonium, my brother Don on Cornet. I was on Baritone.

I cannot call to mind all the others. At one time, the Blyths in the Scouts band consisted of William (the Father) Bill, Sam, Charlie and Herbert (Doody).  My Father Tom stayed with the local Salvation Army Band. All the previous mentioned, at one time, were in the Whitstable Salvation Army band.

Bernard Blyth
Whitstable

Our Comment: Many thanks, Bernard... for both the correction and additional information. As it is some time since the article was produced, I have added your comments to the Visitors Book (entry date 11/11/09) to ensure they are viewed by a wide audience.

  

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